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Buying Poilane Across the Pond?

January 2, 2007 - 8:00am -- Loafer
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So,  I was watching something or other on FoodTV the other day, and they mentioned that Poilane will ship loaves overseas.  Since Reinhart seems to be so taken with the Poilane miche, I thought I might take a look into trying one loaf.  I know that it will be basically highway robbery, but it would be very interesting to give it a try and see what "The best bread in the world" might taste like. Maybe a birthday present to myself.  But the Poilane website isn't terribly helpful on what the actual costs will be.  It seems that I would have to click the button to confirm my order before I was really told what the price might be.  Has anyone else made an order from Paris?  Were you pleased with the shipping time and the quality of the bread after shipping?  Was it "worth" $20+ to try a loaf?  Of course, that is cheaper than a trip to Paris...

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mountaindog

After making a decent BBA Pain Polaine the other day, I next made two breads from Maggie Glezer's "Artisan Baking" book that use a very firm starter. I've made Thom Leonard's Country French bread before (p. 133) and that came out very good, but I was really blown away by how good the Essential's Columbia bread (p. 82) came out! After tasting this Columbia bread, it was disappointing going back to taste the Poilane, I liked the Columbia much better, although granted they are somewhat different styles of bread:

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This Columbia is by far the best bread I've ever made, no contest, in fact my French husband and I agree this is the best bread we've tasted outside of France. The taste and texture are wonderful: crispy, chewy, with a very complex sourdough flavor, really not much sour but a lot of flavor! I wonder if it is all the combination of different flours in the recipe, plus the wheat germ and malt syrup...all I can say is this will be my new standard bread to make weekly, as well as to give away as gifts. Next time I make it I may try using oblong bannetons to give the loaves more of a football shape rather than the batards I made here. By the way, that crust is not burnt, the malt syrup makes it carmelize very darkly. I followed the recipe in the book exactly except I retarded the final dough overnight in my cold mudroom for the first ferment. Check out Columbia's excellent crumb and crust:

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Merry Christmas, All

December 25, 2006 - 9:58am -- pmccool
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There's a sourdough batard and boule fermenting on the counter; should be ready to go into the oven in an hour or so.  Just the thing to go with the ravioli soup that's simmering in the crock-pot in anticipation of the last of our travelers arriving this evening.  We'll give them a day to decompress before doing the big Christmas dinner tomorrow.

 

Wishing all of you a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year with your families and friends.

 

PMcCool

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dough won't rise

December 23, 2006 - 10:40am -- CBudelier

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get my dough to rise. Both of my starters (I keep them at 100% when I'm getting ready to use them) will double or triple themselves within 5 hours when I feed them, and I try to mix my dough when they are at their peak, but as soon as I try to turn them into dough, they seem to go into hibernation. If I get a first rise, it takes a minimum of 5-6 hours, and then I rarely, if ever, get a 2nd rise. I also can't seem to get an open crumb no matter what hydration of starter I use. Any tips or tricks that I can try? Thank you and Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah, and a joyous holiday for all!

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Starter emergency!

December 22, 2006 - 1:22pm -- Teresa_in_nc

Well, it looks like I have truly lost it....my mind and my sourdough starter! This is the starter from Carl's Friends that I have maintained for over two years. I planned to set it out and feed it this afternoon and I can't find it in the fridge or freezer.

I dried some of this starter some time ago and have put half an ounce in a bowl with 3/4 cup warm water as directed when you order some starter from this group. I'm letting it sit to dissolve, but it's not dissolving completely. There are some little hard bits in the bottom of the bowl that I can feel with my fingers.

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Peter Reinharts Sourdough Starter

November 26, 2006 - 12:20pm -- sugarcreations

I just got a copy of Peter Reinharts book Crust and Crumb and was going to start his sourdough starter when I realized I do not have any organic wheat flour. Is there a reasonable sub or should I get off my duff in front of this computer and go buy a bag? Also the wheat or barley malt powder is there a reasonable sub for this because I do not know if its available here or will regular wheat germ suffice?

Upon looking further I do have whole wheat flour its just not organic. 

 

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Floydm

Tried a whole wheat sourdough for the first time with my current starter.

 

Certainly not the kind of crumb I can get with regular bread flour, but not bad for something purely leavened with a starter.

 

 

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JMonkey

Well, my first attempt with 100% whole wheat flour was pretty much a bust. But I thought I'd give it one more shot with sourdough and regular bread flour.

Wow. As you can see, my daugther is proud of her work (she helped me mix, which, with this technique, is about 75% of the work):
Sourdough bread

I've never had an "ear" like that on a loaf, and I've never had such a wonderful, crunchy crispy crust. Here's a shot of the crumb:
Crumb shot
Nice and open, but without big "mouse holes." As for flavor, it was a mild to medium sourdough flavor, buttery with a slight tang and a long aftertaste. Crumb was chewy and light. Very nice.

Here's how I made it. My formula:
Final dough of 90% white bread flour, 5% whole rye, 5% whole wheat, 1.9% salt, 72% hydration.
5% of the flour was prefermented sourdough starter at 100% hydration.

Below are the actual weights of ingredients I used to get 1.1 kilograms of dough (strange, I know, but I was trying get the right size to fit my cloche): Mix together:

  • 569 grams bread flour
  • 32 grams whole rye flour
  • 12 grams salt
  • Dissolve 63 grams whole wheat starter at 100% hydration into
  • 424 grams water. Pour the water into the flour mix, and stir until it comes together into a dough.
    Cover and let it sit for 17-18 hours at room temperature.
    Flour a board copiously and then give the dough one stretch and fold. Wrap it in a well-floured towel or sheet of baker's linen and let it sit for two hours.
    Pre-heat the oven about one hour before baking to 500 degrees. Make sure that the covered pot, dutch oven or cloche is in the oven to warm up. I used a cloche. They're not cheap. With shipping, they'll run you north of $60, but that's a lot less expensive than most dutch ovens, which seem to run $175+ for a big one of decent quality. I was given the cloche as a gift and don't have a dutch oven or a big covered cassarole.
    Slash the dough if you like, though it may be too wet. Luckily, mine was perfect for slashing.
    Carefully open the container to flop the dough inside, seam or slash side up. Close the oven door and lower the heat to 450.
    Bake for 30 minutes covered and 10-20 minutes uncovered. (I baked mine for 15 minutes).
    Let it cool on a rack for about an hour.

    I don't make white-flour bread very often, but when I do, this will be the technique I'll use, though I may actually shape it next time. The dough had surprising strength and, after the fermentation, though the dough was sticky, it was by no means a batter. It kept its shape well. Amazing bread.
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    REALLY sticky bread dough!

    November 14, 2006 - 9:08am -- CBudelier

    I've tried making the basic sourdough bread recipe from The Bread Bible a couple of times with questionable results. The book says that the dough will be sticky.....major understatement! I keep ending up with a completely uncontrollable mess that refuses to stiffen up even with a considerable amount of added flour. I am using all-purpose flour instead of bread flour and am wondering if that would be the cause for the dismal dough.

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