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Guinness Onion Sour Cream Sourdough Rye

Isand66's picture
Isand66

Guinness Onion Sour Cream Sourdough Rye

Dec 14

I love adding beer to sourdough bread. I’m not a big beer drinker but the malty flavor it imparts is amazing and Guinness is one of my favorites to use.

The sour cream added extra moisture to the crumb, and the caramelized onions imparted a wonderful sweet onion flavor.

I used King Arthur high-gluten flour since I didn’t have any first clear flour, along with some fresh-milled Danko Rye (milled from Barton Springs Mill berries).

The dough was mixed using my trusty Ankrusrum and open-baked with steam.

The finished loaves had a nice moist semi-open crumb perfect for a hot pastrami sandwich which I had twice for dinner! The pastrami was courtesy of Katz’s Deli which my wife had ordered a while ago by mail-order. You simply take the frozen vacuum-sealed pouch and immerse it in boiling water for five minutes and you have melt-in-your-mouth pastrami.

Formula

Levain Directions 

Mix all the levain ingredients together for about 1 minute and cover with plastic wrap.

Let it sit at room temperature for around 6-7 hours or until the starter has almost doubled. I used my proofer set at 76 degrees so it took around 5 hours for me. Either use in the main dough immediately or refrigerate for up to 1 day before using.

 Main Dough Procedure

Note: I use an Ankarsrum Mixer so my order of mixing is slightly different than if using a Kitchenaid or other mixer. Add all your liquid to your mixing bowl except 50-80 grams. Add all your flour and sour cream to the bowl and mix on low for a minute until it forms a shaggy mass. Cover the mixing bowl and let it rest for 20 – 30 minutes.   Next add the levain, salt, olive oil and remaining Guinness as needed and mix on medium low (about speed 3) for 12- 24 minutes until you have a nice developed dough. 

Remove the dough from your bowl and place it in a lightly oiled bowl and do several stretch and folds.  Make sure the dough is as flat as possible in your bowl/container and measure the dough in millimeters and take the temperature of the dough as well. Based on the chart from www.thesourdoughjourney.com, determine what % rise you need and make a note. If you have a proofer decide what temperature you want to set it at and what rise you are aiming for. If the dough is fully developed you don’t need to do any stretch and folds, but if it’s not, do several sets 15-20 minutes apart.

Once the dough reaches the desired bulk rise, pre-shape and let rest for 15-20 minutes. Finish shaping place in your banneton, bowl, or on your sheet pan and cover it so it is pretty airtight. You will then place it in your refrigerator so you don’t want the dough to get a crust on it. I usually don’t leave the dough in the refrigerator for more than 12 hours because of all the fresh milled flour but it is possible to go longer. I let this one go 15 hours total and the dough was nicely fermented.

When you are ready to bake, an hour beforehand pre-heat your oven to 540 F and prepare for steam. I have a heavy-duty baking pan on the bottom rack of my oven with 1 baking stone above the pan and one on the top shelf.  I pour 1 cup of boiling water into the pan right after I place the dough in the oven.  Remove your dough from the refrigerator and score immediately. I used some cookie cutters to jazz it up a bit.

After 1 minute lower the temperature to 450 degrees.  Bake for around 35-45 minutes or until the breads are nice and brown and have an internal temperature of around 200-210 F. 

Take the bread(s) out of the oven when done and let them cool on a baker’s rack for as long as you can resist. 

Comments

tpassin's picture
tpassin

I have to applaud the crumb, especially with the sour cream, onions, and all.  Just lovely!

The best pastrami I ever had was "Romanian" pastrami from Corky and Lenny's in Cleveland, sadly no more. It had a taste that was out of this world.  It also made for a really greasy sandwich but never mind! Never tried Katz's.

TomP

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Isand66

Appreciate your kind words.  There’s nothing like a well made pastrami that is juicy and flavorful.  One day soon I’m going to make one myself.  The pastrami from Katz’s is top notch and once in a while we splurge and mail order some along with their awesome natural casing hot dogs and my favorite sour pickles.  I’m sure Corky and Lenny’s was awesome as well.  We have a 100 year old Tavern that has awesome pastrami but their rye bread is sad 😔.

Thanks again.

Ian

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squattercity

brilliant, Ian ... what astonishing crumb! Once again, you're making my mouth water.

Q (only bc there's been some disagreement about this on this site): do you let the stout go flat or use it straight from the newly opened bottle or get it fresh with the swirly white head from the pub?

I've not tried the 'sous vide' pastrami. But I live just across the Williamsburgh Bridge from Katz's, so if I crave I can easily weave my way there.

Also: what do you think would be the result if you fermented all of the rye in the levain?

Enjoy!

Rob

 

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Isand66

I live on the Island but I don’t get into the city that much lately.  One of the first dates with my girlfriend now wife of 29 years was in a Jewish deli in the theatre district.  I can’t recall the name but they had sandwiches that were ginormous and we ordered a pastrami and couldn’t come close to finishing it.  We took it to go and then went to see Phantom of the Opera.  We had first row seats and I could swear the actors were salivating from smelling the pastrami 😋😂.

i do believe if you make the rye as the entire starter this would turn out great as well.  I’ve made Jewish rye like that before and it cam3 out great.

I use the stout as is and have no issues with the fermentation.  Someone on another site suggested I try boiling the beer first to increase fermentation by evaporating the alcohol.  I haven’t tried it yet so not sure if it’s necessary.   Give this one a try if you get a chance and let me know what you think.

Best,

Ian

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JonJ

Caramelized onion, sour cream and Guiness, sounds superb.

You've got me salivating on the other side of the world, Ian!

Isand66's picture
Isand66

This one did turn out great,  Thank you for your comment.

Happy holidays’

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Benito

These loaves are very festive the way you “decorated” them with stars or circles, what a great idea.  I’m not a beer drinker either and still haven’t tried adding beer to my bread, with one exception.  But I’m sure this was a delicious bite with that pastrami.  The caramelized onions and sour cream alone would give this wonderful flavour alone.

Happy holidays.

Benny

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Isand66

I hope you try this one day.  The Stout really adds a wonderful malty flavor and it’s not like drinking it 😆.  
Thank you for your kind words and I hope you have a wonderful holiday as well.

Ian

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albacore

Love the crust patterns! And these loaves must've been bursting with flavour.

Lance