A whole lot of starter!

Hi David.

I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions, but here is mine. I used SourdoLady's method to start my starter and think it worked out really well. At least so far. She recommends using orange juice or pineapple juice. However, I used bottled water instead. Here is the procedure.

Day 1. Mix 2 table spoons of whole rye flour (aka dark rye) with 2 table spoons of water.

Day 2. 24 hours later. Add 2 table spoons of whole rye flour with 2 table spoons of water to your mixture.

Day 3. 24 hours later. Add 4 table spoons of whole rye flour with 4 table spoons of water to your mixture.

Some notes on the first three days. The idea is basically to double the amount of flour per feeding. The reason for such a large amount of water is to keep high hydration level to encourage activity. Each day you will see more bubbles and foam on the top of your mixture and the odor will be that of stinky cheese. :) The flour you use has to have a high amount of bran in it. I used rye that I milled myself, so it had 100% bran in it. However, if that's not an option for you make sure you purchase whole grain rye, sometimes called dark rye. Others have used whole wheat for the first three days with success, so that would be another possibility. But I can't speak of that since I used rye. Yet others feel that the starter should be fed every 12 hours even during the first three days. That may also be an option, but again I'm posting my exact procedure, that seems to have worked out.

From this point on you need to decide what kind of starter, or starters you'd like to have. For example if you want to maintain white and whole wheat starters you would split your mixture in half and feed one of them white flour and the other whole wheat.

Day 4.  12 hours later. Feed your starter by doubling the amount of flour in it. How much water you add will depend on whether you prefer a wet starter or a dry starter. A wet starter, is far more active, and as it turns out is best for daily bakes. Whereas a somewhat dryer starter is better for us once a week bakers.

Day 4. 12 hours later feed your starter again. See notes for day 4 above. At this point you should start seeing your starter rise by about 50% if you are making it drier. (Starter that is too wet will not have enough structure to rise) The smell shouldstart to turm fruity or some describe it as apple cider like. :)

Day 5. 12 hours later feed your starter. The rise now should be just about 100% after the feeding.

Day 5. 12 hours later feed your starter. You should get a rise again. The time frame for the rise seems to be anywhere from 2 hours after the feeding to 8 hours after the feeding. But by now it should be a solid 100%.

By day 5 you should be ready to bake you test loaf to see your starter in action. It will be your first sourdough, and will test the ability of your starter to lift a loaf of bread. From the start until this point the starter needs to remain at room temperature. Once you see the 100% rise on day five you may either continue to feed your starter evey 12 hours or place it in the refrigerator immediately after the feeding. And then feed it once every 3 to 5 days. I raised my starter in a glass jar that was lidded the entire time.

HTH Rudy

Hi David,

Here is a link to my wild yeast sourdough starter recipe:

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/233/wild-yeast-sourdough-starter

This recipe works really well and there is very little waste. I highly recommend that you use the juice because it helps to lower the pH level so that the starter gets off to a good beginning. It also helps to deter any mold growth and other unwanted bacteria that can cause your starter to spoil in the early stages.

Good luck with growing your starter!

Following Mike Avery's advice on his Sourdough Home page, I elected to start my sourdough learning curve by purchasing a starter from King Arthur. However, once a starter is going, I don't see why one starter would work any differently than another, so here's what I do:

I bake bread once a week -- Saturday or Sunday. I have my starter (white flour) in the fridge from last week. If I need to make a lot of bread on any weekend, I'll usually increase my starter on Wed or Thurs by adding equal amounts, by weight, of flour and water. (I use a 100% hydration starter -- saves me doing math!) Otherwise, I just use about a cup of starter to make the preferment the day before I'm baking. This is enough to make 2 or 3 loaves - my customary "single batch".

I refresh the starter by replacing the amount used by adding equal amounts of water and flour, mixing for a few minutes, and letting it sit on the counter for an hour or two -- just till it looks like it's getting happy. (I also do this when I increase the starter.) My starter is generally 2 - 3 cups in volume at this point. Then, it's back into the fridge until next week, with no waste.

ClimbHi
Pittsburgh, PA

As Rudy said, David, everybody's got their own 2 cents.

Here's mine: you asked about Silverton's seemingly insane amounts of starter. I think she must have been thinking the reader was a bakery. Once you get your starter going, you don't need to keep much at all, which works for those of us who only get to bake on the weekend. And lessens the guilt of all that throwaway flour!

The weight of starter I keep (100% hydration) these days is only about 90 grams, or a bit more than 3 ounces. If I'm just refreshing to keep my micro-friends alive, I toss 60 grams, which includes but 30 grams of flour, and add 30 grams of flour and water each. If I am going to bake sourdough bread, I take the starter out of the fridge 2 days in advance (Thursday for Saturday baking).

On the first day I refresh the starter, and may add more flour and water than for my maintenance refreshment, if the recipe calls for more starter. My favorite recipe so far is Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough recipe, and building the 'firm starter' only requires an ounce of starter, so my usual refreshment is usually fine.

I refresh the starter 3 times, more or less 12 hours apart, before making the firm starter the night before bake-day. The purpose of this is to build up the activity of the starter so it can make a firm starter with oomph and tang. Next day after mixing the dough I refresh the starter one more time, 30 g flour, 30 g water, let rise and back into the fridge.

Meanwhile the dough is fermenting...

Soundman (David)

Figured I'd toss in with everyone else here on the home-made starter.

There are a couple of things I did on my most recent starter that seemed to help, your milage may vary.

1. Use water that has been used to boil potatoes (I used water left over from making mashed potatoes).  I think the starches that disolve out of the potatoes and into the water make great food for yeast.  I used potato water in my last starter, and it grew to useability in half the time of my first starter, without varying anything else in the recipe/method.  The taste was not significantly different either.

2. You don't need to use huge amounts of flour.  During the growth of the starter, I kept half the starter from the previous day, and added 1/4 cup flour and a scant 1/4 cup water.  Doing it this way, the entire growing phase of my starter used about 2 1/2 cups of flour.  The last feeding before I moved it to the fridge, I simply doubled its volume (added 1/2 cup flour and 3/8 cup water instead).

3.  Once your starter gets to a point where the starter smells edible (that nebulous "clean yeasty" smell everyone talks about), instead of throwing out the extra starter after the division, keep it in a seperate airtight container.  Put that container in the fridge, and once you've accumulated a few cups of cast-off starter you can use that jar of cast-off to make pancakes or (my favorite) crumpets.  I've also heard that it can be used for pizza dough or english muffins as well... but I always seem to end up making crumpets.  My crumpet recipe is below.

4. I hear of a lot of people using filtered or bottled water to grow their starters.  For all my starters (feeding and growing) I used plain, out of the faucet, Milwaukee city tap water, except in my last one where I used potatoes boiled in the tap water first. Milwaukee tap has that horrifying chlorine variant: chlormine in it, said to be deadly to micro and macro-scopic life of all kinds, destroys whole cities with its noxious posions, and is single-handedly responsible for the fall of Rome!  Didn't seem to phase the yeast one bit; hardy little critters.

Cast-off Crumpets
2 Cups starter cast-off (100% hydration), mixed back together if it has seperated
1 Cup AP flour (you can as much as double this, make sure to adjust the rest of the ingredients by the same %, not counting the starter)
3/4 Cup water
1 tbsp sugar
1 tsp salt
1-1/2 tsp baking soda

You don't have to be terribly exact with the measurements... I usually do the whole thing by feel rather than get my measuing tools dirty.  I just dump it all in a bowl, and mix it.  If it doesn't feel right, I add more of something.

Combine the starter, flour, water, and sugar.  You should get something the consistency of thick pancake batter. If not, add flour or water until you get the right consistency.  Let the mixture sit for about 45 minutes.  It should start bubbling a little bit, or even rising dependin on how much yeast is still alive.  If it doesn't bubble it's not a huge deal, but it's better if you get bubbling.  Add the salt and baking soda, and be ready to stir like crazy.  Once the baking soda is stirred in, the mixture should start to "rise".  Depending on how old your cast-offs are, it could rise only a little bit, or it could rise very aggressively.  Just keep stiring until it calms down a little... or you could end up with an overflow (the first time I made these, it covered my kitchen counter after I walked away from it).  Once it's calmed down to a point where it isn't in danger of overflowing, let it puff up a bit.  The point is, you want to catch some of the gas from the chemical reaction, but not let things get out of control on you.

Meanwhile, pre-heat a large greased pan or griddle, and some greased biscut/muffin rings at medium-low heat.  After your mixture has stopped producing gas(growing/rising), slowly fill the rings 2/3 of the way up.  Allow the batter to cook until the top solidifies.  The top should be full of holes and dry when it is finished.  Once the crumpet has reached this state, you can either flip it over and brown the other side for 30-60 seconds, or remove it to cool as-is.  If the bottom of the crumpet is too dark, reduce heat.  It can take anywhere from 7-12 minutes to cook a crumpet, so be patient. 

Crumpets can be eaten right away, or frozen/refrigerated.  If you freeze them, give them about 15 minutes out of the freezer to thaw, then toast them.  Crumpets are great with toppings, you can do butter, preservers, cream cheese, penut butter, or even maple syrup.

Cheers,
Taco

Confusion is a state of mind... or is it?

And just for the record I will hypothesize that your hypothesis will not prove out, i.e. you will see differences, speculating that the acid in the pineapple juice will at least affect the rising time of that particular culture.

Indeed, I expect the same thing.  I'm very much hoping that I'll be able to refute my Null Hypothesis and show that both potato water and pineapple juice have increased rates of starter groth.   However, I cannot discount the possibility that I may have to accept the Null, as has happened on occasion in the science world.  And if the Null proves to be true, that'll change (at least for me) a lof of what I thought I knew about how liquids affect starter growth.

Is there a way to measure the amount of chlorine based chemicals in one's tap water? Quantitatively? Meaning a test that produces a number

As far as an ecconomical method for chlorine/chloromine testing, I sadly don't know any off hand.  However, my father-in-law is a chemical engineer, so he might be a good person to pump for information.  There may be something I can check as far as specific body or PH, but I honestly don't know.  The qualitative "taste test" of my water is that it tastes pretty chlorinated, enough that I usually don't drink straight from the tap, but not enough that flavorings (cool aid, juice concentrate, etc) won't cover up the taste.

I suppose I could try to find if the FDA has ever inspected the treatment plant and done a chemical inspection.  As somebody who's worked closely with the FDA, I know I can at least trust their numbers, if not the numbers provided by the plant itself.

EDIT: Ok, I did some spelunking online and found that there is a fairly inexpensive method for checking chlorine concentration in water: chlorine test strips.  The only problems I can see is that the resolution isn't very good, and there doesn't seem to be any indication if the strips work for chloromine detection as well as chlorine.  I'll definately check out my local hardware store, and possibly the pool supply store to see if I can find a small vial of the strips.

Confusion is a state of mind... or is it?