The Fresh Loaf

A Community of Amateur Bakers and Artisan Bread Enthusiasts.

Question on 50% Rye with Walnuts (based on Hamelman book)

GV's picture
GV

Question on 50% Rye with Walnuts (based on Hamelman book)

I'm breaking in my new Ank and I want to try Jeffrey Hamelman's 50% Rye with Walnuts. It's been at-least 8 years since I baked Rye (or any bread for that matter) and I need a little bit of help to get back into Rye:)

- The book has 68% hydration for a 50% bread flour / 50% Rye flour formula. This seems surprisingly low hydration, esp. considering that in general Hamelman's formulas have high hydration. Is this right, has someone had success with this one? I'm especially surprised given the long bake times needed. Any advice?

- Instead of on a stone, I am baking this in a loaf pan (long story). Baking Rye and checking for doneness is very different, but that's all I remember from the old days. The formula is for baking on a stone starting at 460F for 15, then lower to 440 and bake for 20-25 more. I'm thinking of adapting this to start at 440 for 15, and lower to 420 and bake for another 30, given that it should take more time with a loaf pan. More than that, I'm figuring I should aim for an internal done temp of 200F (I pretty much always take internal temp, not confident enough of my bake times yet after long absence).

Does this sound about right? 

(I'm excited about this, getting into Rye after such a long hiatus!).

Davey1's picture
Davey1

Use his amounts and see what happens. Enjoy!

tpassin's picture
tpassin

If you are at sea level, 200 deg F seems low.  I'd be looking for 208 or so.

TomP

Moe C's picture
Moe C

Mebake made it here:  https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/21728/sourdough-rye-walnuts-frombread

He said: "I adhered to Hamelman's Instructions, except the High Gluten Flour. My bread Flour is 12.9% Protein, and i increased the water in the final dough due to the high absorption of my Whole Rye (Dover Farm Organic)."

You might end up altering hydration somewhat to suit your own circumstances, but that seems more the rule than the exception with loaves of all kinds.

Debra Wink's picture
Debra Wink

It's been many years since I've made this bread, so I had to go searching for what I said about it in this thread (with some good rye tips by hansjoakim):  Signs of spring (at long last)

I'm sure I need to increase the hydration. My dough was very firm even though I added three generous splashes in addition to the water specified in the formula. I've come to the conclusion that I just need to start with 5% more water up front and adjust from there.

Adding 5% water brings the hydration up to Hans' recommended 73% - 75% overall hydration for 40% - 60% rye. Of course, your milage may vary.

GV's picture
GV

Thanks, Debra! P.S. The pineapple juice solution lives on:) I got into SD back in early 2010s and reading thru your posts!