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Yeast to sourdough advice

dom1972's picture
dom1972

Yeast to sourdough advice

I have a pretty fail proof yeasted sandwich loaf made with poolish and yeast and want to switch to sourdough. Here’s the formula 

POOLISH (made night before)

246g flour

246g water

1g fresh yeast

Main dough

Poolish

574g flour

182 g water 

9g fresh yeast

17g salt 

53g eggs

38g butter 

119g cream cheese 

My question is if I make poolish into levain can I just skip the yeast in the main dough and still be able to finish the bake in the same day because of time restrictions and how to determine how much starter to use to build the levain. Any advice appreciated 

Thanks

Dom

Davey1's picture
Davey1

If the yeasst is removed - things may take longer and may not fit your schedule. The stronger the starter - the less - or no - yeast is used. Enjoy!

JeremyCherfas's picture
JeremyCherfas

If you consider the poolish as a starter instead, I reckon you don't need to change anything except remove the yeast from the final dough (which looks impressively enriched).

Depends how active your starter is, but if it were me I would do one build in the morning, maybe 75:75 and then another to create the overnight starter, adding 175:175

GaryBishop's picture
GaryBishop

Make your poolish with SD and no yeast. Next day use yeast in your dough. You'll get SD flavor on the schedule you want. There is no rule that requires you to omit yeast in SD bread.

ll433's picture
ll433

Hi Dom,

Yes, it's possible to omit the yeast entirely and bake your loaf the same day that it is mixed. If you keep the amount of flour in the levain the same - 246g - that means 30% of your total flour is pre-fermented. At this % PFF, a completely white loaf is done with BF and proof within 5-7 hours at around 20 degrees. Your dough is highly enriched, so I would be cautious and give it up to 9 hours and see how it does on the first attempt.

If you want to bake your bread within the same day but in fewer hours, then you could spike the main dough with perhaps half the amount of yeast, or increase the PFF to 40-45%. Obviously adjust according to taste - switching from poolish to SD would mean a change in flavour profile and texture. 

How much starter to build the levain depends on how much time you have to rise it, what kind of flour you use, % hydration, what temperature you rise it, and how active your starter is. Typically I leave my levain to rise for 10-12 hours at 20 degrees before I use it. If I'm building a completely white levain at 100% hydration, then I will go with 1:5. If your starter is also 100% hydration, that means you will use 45g of starter, 225g flour, 225g water for this recipe. 

-Lin