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Flour mixing - High gluten and pastry flour vs AP flour

beastwork's picture
beastwork

Flour mixing - High gluten and pastry flour vs AP flour

I'm playing around with some recipes.  I'm wondering if its worth it to create a mix of High Gluten Flour and Pastry Flour if I wind up with a protein content that's on par with All Purpose flour (about 11.7%)

- Will the properties of the mixed bread be different than the AP bread?

- Should I expect a more "tender" loaf, with tighter crumb from the mixed bread?

- Will one bread have more structural integrity than the other?

- etc.?

 

I've done experiments, but I'm a novice baker and I'm not sure if I'm missing some of the finer differences.

Any helpful points of view are appreciated.

Lechem's picture
Lechem (not verified)

high gluten flour + plain flour (cake or pastry flour) = AP flour

I think a mix of 50:50 (but check up on that).

I believe that plain flour is 8-10% (ish) gluten. AP flour is around 11-12% gluten. And bread flour is 13% +

The main difference would be crumb structure I would think. Never tried it myself though as I've always gone for bread flour.

If you live in the UK or use European flour then what we call bread flour could be the equivalent of AP flour falling at around 12-13% and our strong bread flour 13% + (I have found).

alfanso's picture
alfanso

The text below is not my creation nor is the drawing, and I won't comment on the characteristics or results of doing this for anyone else.  I have followed this to approximate First Clear flour and the results for me were just what I anticipated.

You can create any flour blend/protein percentage that you wish by following these instructions.  Substitute any categories of flour for your own needs where the text specifies "bread flour" and "VWG" (vital wheat gluten).   The results will tell you what percent of each flour is required to meet your desired protein percentage. Or, you can just wing it and hope for the best!

Pearson's Square was developed to help ranchers create protein blends for their livestock, but the principle is the same for we bakers.

First Clear Flour and Pearson’s Square

 You can easily make your own.  Basically, you need to boost the protein content of bread flour (12.5% usually) in order to create clear flour of about 15.3% protein, by adding vital wheat gluten. I went ahead and did the calculation for you. However much clear flour you need, use 96% bread flour sifted together with 4% vital wheat gluten. You can find VWG in the bulk bin section of any natural foods store. Pre-packaged VWG tends to be lower in protein than that in bulk.

High-gluten, or high-protein flour (HPF) has a protein content of 14-14.5%. Unfortunately, it tends to be available only from large distributors in 50-pound bags. The good news is that you can effectively create your own high protein flour.

How can know the protein content of any flour?  Another good question.  Let’s look at the nutrition label of a bag of bread flour.

You need two pieces of information from it:  the number of grams of protein per serving, and the number of total grams of flour per serving.  In this case, the numbers are 5 and 40, respectively.  To learn the protein percentage, we’ll divide 5 by 40:  5 ÷ 40 = .125, or 12.5%.  So we know we have bread flour, or flour that contains enough protein in the form of gluten to dependably yield a good loaf of bread.

So how do we create high protein flour?  Are you familiar with vital wheat gluten (VWG)?  It isn’t pure protein, but it’s darn close.  I buy mine from a bulk bin at my nearby natural foods store.  The grams of protein per serving are 23 (!!), and the total grams of VWG are 30 per serving.  Let’s do the math:  23 ÷ 30 = .766666666666.  Rounding up, let’s call it 77%.

We need to know how much to add to our bread flour in order to create high protein flour.  We’re going to use a tool called a Pearson’s Square.  It simply allows anyone to start with two known quantities and calculate the amounts needed of each in order to create a third known quantity.  

Take out a piece of paper, draw a square in the center, and do this with me.  On the left side of the square, the smaller amount goes at the top and the larger on the bottom:  12.5 (the protein % of bread flour, BF) and 77 (the protein % of vital wheat gluten, VWG).  In the center goes our target % for high-gluten flour:  14.5%.

The arrows inside the square tell you in which directions to subtract on the diagonals.  We’re only concerned with integers here (it’s easier for me to calculate a Pearson’s Square than to figure out how long it’s been since I used the word “integer”), no negative numbers.  The difference between 12.5 and 14.5 is 2.  Write that at the bottom right corner.  The difference between 77 and 14.5 is 62.5.  Write that at the upper right corner.  Now add the two numbers on the right together:  62.5 + 2 = 64.5.  Are you with me?

There is one last step.  In order to know how much of each kind of flour we need to mix together to make high protein flour, we need to know what percentage 62.5 and 2 are of the total 64.5.  Because right now, the information is just in “parts”.  Parts are not as useful as percentages.

So, 62.5 ÷ 64.5 = .97, or 97%

2 ÷ 64.5 = .03, or 3%

97% + 3% = 100%, so we know our numbers are accurate

In the end, I like to look at the ratios in terms of reasonableness.  We’re increasing the protein content of our BF, 12.5%, to 14.5%, the protein content of HPF.  We’re doing that using VWG, whose protein content is 77%.  I would reasonably expect that we would need a much larger amount of BF than VWG in order to create HPF.  Our calculations not only confirmed that, but also told us exactly how much of each flour we need.

beastwork's picture
beastwork

thanks for responses.  I'm pretty clear on the concepts of protein content, and I can work the math out to make a flour mixture of whatever protein content that I want.

My question is more about the characteristics of a 12% protein bread made from a mixture of flours 

vs

the characteristics of a 12% protein bread made from store bought, all purpose flour.

Lechem seems to believe that the end product will actually be different.  Same protein profile, but perhaps a small difference in texture.  Does anyone have experience with something like this?

Lechem's picture
Lechem (not verified)

will be different if using bread flour or AP flour!

Whether there is a difference between AP flour and a mix of bread/plain flour I do not know.

I think the only way to find out would be to experiment.

ninofiol's picture
ninofiol

Great information Alfanso! I have been working on this on my own for some time (with mixed results), and this will simplify and cut down my experimenting a great deal. Really appreciate it!!!

Doc.Dough's picture
Doc.Dough

USFDA requirement for protein labeling produce rounded result on the label, thus 5g of protein can mean anywhere between 4.5g and 5.5g, and for calories per serving the rounding is to the nearest 5g for 50g or less. So the indicated protein percentage is actually somewhere between 10.6% and 14.7% which is not very precise.

alfanso's picture
alfanso

Debra Wink pointed out the fallibility of the labeling a number of months ago.  But in the absence of any guidelines, this gets one close to where they may want to be.  A might better than throwing a dart.  Websites and/or stat sheets from millers may also list the protein percentages, something that I should have pointed out.

Doc.Dough's picture
Doc.Dough

Only the numbers are suspect. Once you have a blend you like you can repeat it with the same constituent brands and be pretty close but perhaps not exact.  I am not good enough to tell the difference from bag to bag or season to season.

Don't compare a commercial flour for which you have a spec sheet with a blend you mix up to have the same gluten and ash content.  Gluten quality is more than just protein level as well. Consumer flours seem pretty consistent but they can vary a lot without changing the labeling.  Commercial spec flours are much more consistent because they don't have the same flexibility to deviate. And their customers are more demanding of consistency (and often do their own tests to verify that they are getting what they are paying for).  I understand that some big commercial bakeries require lot certification from the miller.

beastwork's picture
beastwork

I would like to know if a high gluten and pastry flour blend (~12% protein) dough will produce a finished product consistent with a 12% AP flour dough.  Does the introduction of pastry flour create any unique characteristics in the finished bread?  This is the heart of the discussion.

Lazy Loafer's picture
Lazy Loafer

If you have the time and interest, you might want to read the Flour Treatise, which will tell you more about different kinds of flour. It's not just protein content, but which part of the wheat berry is used and the characteristics of the types.