October 14, 2015 - 5:04am
Problem in baking lemon bread
Hi all,
Problem in baking lemon bread
too dense and collapse top
please see attached photo
Bread Machine - Kenwood BM450
Cycle - Sweet bread
Light crust
Weight - 1 lb
Recipe:-
1 cup Milk
14g Butter
80g Lemon curd
45g rolled oats
1 tsp salt
270g Bread Flour
1-1/2 tsp Active dry yeast
Please advise how to fix the problem. Thanks
Regards
satimis
That is a very wet dough. Sounds like a batter bread. Is there a batter bread setting? You can try cutting back a bit on the milk and see if the dough structure holds up better.
Hi,
Thanks for your advice.
No. I followed the recipes on below website;
http://www.breadmachinemagic.com/bmme12.html
The lemon curd was purchased on supermarket, not home-made.
Following recipe always bake a very fluffy bread chocolate bread even using the same yeast.
Egg 1
Semi skimmed milk 80ml
Unbreached white bread flour 350g
Cocoa Powder 2 tsp
Salt 1 tsp
Granulated white sugar 25g
Butter (at room temperature) 15g
Easy blend dry yeast 1 tsp
Plain chocolate chips 50g
I expect finding out what makes a fluffy bread? Cocoa powder/egg/chocolate ?
Regards
satimis
Ah, Bread Machine Magic. One of my favorite books for my bread machine.
The recipe for the lemon bread is very wet. The one for chocolate bread is much drier. Also, they measure in cups. It's possible that you are calculating your flour weight lighter than what they are actually using. Rather than decreasing the milk, you can try using a little more flour. I would suggest 300 grams.
Hi,
I have converted all volumetric measurement to weight (gram).
Ok I'll try adding 300g of flour in next round. Thanks
Regards
satimis
Hi,
Another round.
Recipes
Ingredients
3/4 cup Milk (plus 3 x 5ml, because the dough looks dry)
1 tbsp Butter (14 g)
1/3 cup Lemon curd (80 g)
1/2 cup rolled oats (45 g)
1/2 tsp salt
300g Bread Flour
1-1/2 tsp Active dry yeast, newly purchased
Have had improvement but the bread is still not fluffy (pls refers to attached photo). Any suggestion? Thanks
Regards
satimis
from the chocolate one, with no egg and all those rolled oats no wonder it comes out different. Plus after all it's for bread, not cake. But your latest attemp looks pretty good, just the crust is maybe a little uneven on the side there, no idea why. You might try adding egg and rolling the finished dough in the oats rather than incorporating them into the loaf. I'd actually recommend separating two eggs and beating the whites until stiff and mixing them in last for max fluff. The yolks you could save to make mayonnaise.
Hi,
1) Do I need to reduce milk quantity? If YES, what will be its quantity to be reduced? Thanks
2) Add the egg white last, on top of the flour and yeast? OR add it together with the milk which I add to the bread pan first.
Regards
satimis
In my opinion, since you are using a bread machine, whipped egg whites might not work. I would just add the egg. And since you say the dough was dry, I wouldn't reduce the quantity of milk.
because the oats are either absorbing too much of the liquid or at a different rate from the flour, making it difficult to get a proper feel for the dough while mixing. Rather than throwing them into the dry ingredients but rolling the dough in the oats after it has come together might solve this problem. The recipe calls for adding the last bit of milk by feel, until the dough ball is soft and pliable; that would be the moment to add the egg whites. The dough will then get a bit gloppy but the dry oats on the outside should firm it up enough for a good bake. Or so I'm guessing. :)
Well, the original recipe was a very high hydration. More like a batter. My suggestion to lower the hydration seemed to help, but I think they went too far by reducing the quantity of milk and increasing the flour. Since this is a bread machine recipe, there isn't really an option to roll the dough in the oats. IMHO, increasing the hydration a bit and your suggestion for the egg would probably help them achieve the texture they are looking for.
I would reduce the quantity of milk by about the same volume as what ever the two liquid egg whites come to (depending on their size), have the machine mix the dough without them until all the dry ingredients have been absorbed into the wet, add the beaten whites and mix just until the dough is uniform in consistency before rolling it in the oats. But this is just a guess based on how I prepare my own quick breads, am not familiar with either your recipe or the Kenwood.
Hope you get this loaf perfected, sounds delicious. Think I'll have a go at that home made lemon curd myself, even if I don't get around to attempting the bread.
"Just make plain bread. I can spread anything I want on it that way."
But I see the advantage of having it "all in one" too.
you located? Still in Hong Kong?
...and describe exactly your active yeast (size, colour, shape)
I'd like to rule out the yeast, and the time it takes to get going as the cause of the problem.
Try making a simple small 50 to 65% bread dough adding 2% each yeast and salt (as you would for the breadmaker) in a small bowl, knead and watch it rise under normal conditions and compare that to the bread machine timings.
Hi all,
Lot of thanks for your advice.
The Active Dry Yeast used in my late baking is;
Allinson Dry Active Yeast
Best Before 30 Oct., 2017
Regards
satimis
Ah, that can be a problem. I looked it up and it is not recommended for bread machines. Can you get your hands on their Easy Bake Yeast?
Hi KathyF,
I still have;
doves farm quick yeast
for bread machines & baking
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doves-Farm-Quick-Yeast-125/dp/B00JZ41VKK
It has been used it for about 2 months and with it I made very fluffy chocolate bread. I can use it to try again.
I ran Sweet Bread cycle to bake Lemon bread:-
1st kneading (slow) 3 min
2nd kneading (quick) 31 min
1st rise 31 min
3rd kneading (quick) 15 sec
2nd rise 30 min
4th kneading (quick) 15 sec
3rd rise 50 min
Baking 52 min
Total 3 hrs 17 min
I can set my own program on this Kenwood BM450 bread machine. I never use this function before only running the factory preset cycle. I can try. Any suggestion?
Regards
satimis
Yes, I would use the Doves Farm quick yeast.
Interesting cycle for sweet bread. In my opinion, I would suggest sticking with that cycle until you perfect your recipe.
Hi all,
Have another round.
Ingredients
1 egg
egg+ milk to make up 1 cup
1 tbsp Butter (14 g)
1/3 cup Lemon curd (80 g)
1/2 cup rolled oats (45 g)
1/2 tsp salt
300g Bread Flour
1-1/2 tsp Doves Farm quick yeast for bread machine, newly purchased.
Not successful even worse than without egg. The dough increased to double size during rise. (same as baking the chocolate bread) but collapsed during baking. The top is NOT smooth for unknown reason.
Regards
satimis
A collapsed loaf means it over-proofed. I would suggest cutting back on the yeast.
Hi,
OK
In my next attempt I would;
1)
Cutting down yeast to 1 tsp
2)
egg + full cream milk -> 3/4 cup
satimis
Hi all,
Finally I succeed baking a fluffy lemon bread with nice texture and soft.
Ingredients
1 egg
egg + milk to make up 3/4 cup plus 5 ml water
1 tbsp Butter (14 g)
1/3 cup Lemon curd (80 g)
1/2 cup rolled oats (45 g)
1/2 tsp salt
300g Bread Flour
1 tsp Doves Farm quick yeast for bread machine
Machine cycle - Sweet Bread (Kenwood BM450 bread machine)
Lemon curd used - off the shelves in supermarket
Tiptree Lemon Curd made in England - Wilkin & Sons Ltd.
Ingredients - sugar, butter, milk, lemon juice .......
http://www.tiptree.com/goto.php?sess=+A5E57455314144314+25E5E4319+651+F+B4213+B4D555B1D145F+E+B57&cat=5
The original poster of this Lemon Bread recipes uses home-made lemon curd;
Ingredients
1/2 cup unsalted butter
1 cup sugar
3 eggs
Finely grated zest of 3 lemons
1/2 cup fresh lemon juice
Direction
1. In a microwave-proof bowl, melt butter on HIGH for 1 to 2 minutes.
2. In another bowl, combine sugar, eggs, lemon zest, and fresh lemon juice; blend with a wire whisk.
3. Slowly whisk in the hot melted butter.
4. Microwave on HIGH 3 to 4 minutes until thickened, whisking well after each minute.
5. Pour into a clean glass jar and store briefly in the refrigerator or pour into sterilized jars and seal.
I'll try the above recipes after having the lemon curd in refrigerator finished. Actually lemon curd is a nice bread spread.
Regards
satimis
You did it! Looks very yummy!
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Actually, most fruit curds make nice bread spreads.
Apart from lemon, I've recently made lime, raspberry, blackberry and satsuma, all of which have been delicious. I do it in a saucepan on the hob, rather than using a microwave, though.
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Or you'll get that nice bread spread all over your nice bedspread.
Hi Jon,
Just fired Raspberry Curd/Blackberry Curd/Satsuma curd recipe on Internet and found several suggestions. Could please please recommend the recipes which you were/are following? Thanks
Regards
satimis
...in their ratios of sugar, butter and eggs and whether or not you include the whites, so quantities aren't that critical within certain bounds. That makes it fairly easy to improvise each batch according to what fruit's available but in the end it's down to how sharp you like your curd. I've made curd which makes some people's cheeks meet in the middle while other people don't bat an eyelid. Only you know how sharp/sweet you like it. You can add lemon juice once it's completely cooked but remember that it won't taste as sweet once it's cooled as it does while it's still hot in the pan. You can vary the amount of egg to adjust the set of the curd, as well: more egg will give a firmer set.
The last one I made, satsuma, I used about 200g of freshly squeezed satsuma juice, 100g butter, 100g sugar, the juice and zest of one lemon and three large eggs. Because the satsumas were quite sweet I should have used a little less sugar, maybe 80-85g or a little more lemon juice. The curd is delicious but would benefit from a little more bite. Tangerines would be sharper.
For lime curd I'd use the same amount of butter, sugar and eggs but only 125-150g of lime juice and no lemon juice. Lime zest if using fresh, unwaxed limes; use lemon zest or don't bother if not.
For raspberry, one of my favourites, 150g raspberry pulp and 25-30g lemon/lime juice and zest. I buy pulp rather than using whole fruit as life's too short to spend separating fruit pulp from seeds.
Blackberry the same as raspberry. I can't buy blackberry pulp so I simmer the blackberries until they're soft and spend hours pushing the pulp through a sieve. Use less sugar or a bit more lemon/lime if the blackberries are sweet.
You'd think that grapefruit would make good curd but it tends to bitterness rather than sharpness and no one I subjected to it liked my attempt, at least.
The method I use is one I found on-line. It's a bit different from the one most people use but it has the advantage of allowing you to use whole eggs without getting bits of cooked protein floating in the curd, so you don't have to strain it. Alternatively, add another egg, only use the yolks in the curd and keep the whites to make a curd meringue pie.
Use a heavy-based, non-reactive saucepan: stainless steel, anodised aluminium or enamel will work. Plain aluminium or unlined copper will react with the acid.
Cream the butter and sugar until fluffy, beat in the eggs slowly then add the fruit, lemon juice, etc. The mixture will curdle immediately but becomes satiny-smooth as it cooks.
Heat the mixture gently until all of the sugar has dissolved, then turn the heat to moderate and stir constantly. Thorough stirring results in a creamy, rather than a solid, curd. The curd will thicken first in the corners of the pan where you're not stirring. Watch out for that.
The curd's cooked when it reaches 77°C (171°F) or when the edges of the path your finger leaves when dragged across the back of your stirring spoon remain firm and don't sag.
Put into sterilised jars and refrigerate. Freezes well. Eat within a month once opened - as if it's going to last that long!
Curd makes excellent ice cream. I imagine it might make even better sorbet.
of lemon curd or any other concocted from citrus, but it might clash a little with purplish fruits such as those in the raspberry or blueberry/cranberry family, resulting in a slightly muddied color. For such varieties a faux curd/fruit spread may be assembled with a little potato starch substituting for the egg. Combining this starch with the sugar beforehand allows it to dissolve most easily into the simmering fruit mix. Potato being superior to corn starch for this purpose as the finished product will remain clear and boast a smooth rather than pasty mouth feel. As with conventional curd, butter may be included or not. Keeps fairly well under refrigeration.
Hi andychrist,
Thanks for your advice.
Whether you meant potato starch can be used to substitute the egg? If YES what will be its quantity to be used to substitute ONE egg? Thanks
satimis
about two tablespoons of potato starch should be substituted for one egg. I find it suitable for thickening sauces but have never attempted to use it as an egg replacer in bread recipes. For that, mixtures containing arrow root flour and often tapioca are available in specialty storres.
When I'm cooking up fruit sauces for use in my volcanoes, I never measure ingredients but do it all by feel. Will introduce a certain amount of sugar mixed with the potato starch to begin with, then as the sauce boils, stir in as much more as is needed until thickened to the desired consistency. If I find then that the flavor is too sharp or sweet, I'll add some butter to mellow it out.
I find it convenient when cooking fruit toppings to pour off the excess liquid and thicken it up with the starch and sugar mix, then add it back to the chunk fruit to give it body. This way the individual fruit bits stay pretty much intact, as they are not sitting in the sauce while it is being vigorously stirred.
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your detail advice.
I have following questions expecting to clarify with you;
1)
The quantity of butter and sugar to be added in making Blackberry and Raspberry curds?
2)
I found following stuffs in Supermarket:
Smucker's sugar free Blueberry Preserves
Smucker's Strawberry Preserves
Smucker's Red Raspberry Preserves
https://www.smuckers.com/products/fruit-spreads/sugar-free/sugar-free-blueberry-preserves-with-splenda-496
Can they be used as pulp?
Thanks
Regards
satimis
"The quantity of butter and sugar to be added in making Blackberry and Raspberry curds?"
The same as with the others.
"Can they be used as pulp?"
I've never heard of those products before but I wouldn't expect so. A preserve is like jam, except preserves usually have real sugar in them. But even if they were suitable I wouldn't use any sucrolose-based sweetener, or any product containing it, as it's implicated in the development of type two diabetes.
Hi Jon,
What we have to look for in Supermarket is Puree - Strawberry puree, Rashberry puree, Blackberry puree etc. But it is NOT easy to find them. The alternative is to make them at home. It is NOT difficult.
Strawberry Puree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLUT2O5pIM
How to Make Fresh Raspberry Puree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vShw-2R9Q
How to Puree Blackberries
http://www.ehow.com/how_6974895_puree-blackberries.html
Regards
satimis
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bet it tastes even better. :)
I've bought all the ingredients, including lemons for making the curd from scratch, am hoping to find time to give this recipe a try with my electric mixer.
Thanks again for posting. Hope I can get as nice a loaf as yours, satimas.
You don't have to but you could, if you'd like to. Personally, I buy big tins of pulp in a wholesale warehouse that sells catering supplies.
"But it is NOT easy to find them."
You emphasise the 'not' as if you're contradicting me but I didn't say it was easy. In fact, I didn't suggest that try to find them. All I said was that I use raspberry pulp.
"The alternative is to make them at home. It is NOT difficult."
Again, I didn't say it was. But it is is very time consuming, pushing all of the pulp through a sieve, which is why I made the 'life's too short' comment and why I only do it if I have to. As I do in the case of blackberries, as that's not one of the pulps the warehouse stocks.
Hi all,
Have another attempt trying below recipes:-
Ingredients
1 cup Milk, full cream
14g Butter
80g Lemon curd
45g rolled oats
1 tsp salt
280g Strong White Bread Flour
1-1/2 tsp Active dry yeast
Program setting:
(White Rapid Cycle)
Weight 500g loaf
Crust color light
Kneading 1 (slow) 3 min
Kneading 2 (rapid) 31 min
Rise 1 26 min
Kneading 3 (rapid) 15 sec
Rise 2 55 min
Kneading 4 (rapid) 0 sec
Rise 3 0 min
Baking 40 min
Total time 2:35 hrs
The loaf seems not rising well, nice texture with super soft quality but a little bid dense.
Suggestion would be appreciated.
Regards
satimis