I love making 3 quarts of yogurt at a time using th BrodTaylor proofer set at 110F.
I usually buy Strauss' Yogurt (here in Nor Cal) to inoculate the milk (heat each qt of milk- about 5 min in microwave on high; stir once at around 3:30m and there won't be an overflow). The temp is around 180F after the microwave. Let it cool for a few hours to 110F and stir in 2-3 TB of yogurt thinned with a little milk.
Put it in the proofer for 6-8hr.
I like starting each batch with Strauss' Y but many just use the yogurt from their homemade batches.
for the B&T proofer, Jo. 3 qts at a time is large! Does the container you use have a sealed lid?
I'll have to try the Strauss as a starter, though I don't recall see it in any of the stores I shop at around here. So far I haven't found any of the store-bought yogurts to give great results on their own. The closest is Fage 5% which has a thick and rich taste but has no tartness/zip to it at all, so I combine it with 1/2 a packet of Yogourmet starter and then freeze a couple small jars with 2 tbsp of it for when the generational strength inevitably peters out.
I hadn't thought about it that way before. With higher temps over shorter time periods, it's a narrower spectrum of bacteria being developed in yogurts.
Once you have some live yoghurt a cup of that can be culture for the next batch. And if you don't have any culture to start the process off then you don't need to source anything from a special store just a plain live yoghurt - preferably one which you like!
as mentioned previously, there is a generational decline in strength. Even of ones I don't like :) So I find myself starting from scratch after G3 or G4 to maintain the taste and consistency.
I have only made yogurt a few times. But I have a related question. Back in the mid-2000s I used to make cheese. Nothing fancy or highly flavored, mostly soft cheese one would eat in a few days. I made a few harder cheeses. The one that lasted the longest went for a month in cheesecloth before I couldn't wait any longer and nibbled it to death slice by slice.
But a decade or so later I couldn't make cheese any more. It stopped curdling, both by acid and by rennet. I know not to use ultra-pasteurized milk, but I just couldn't make it happen. This was both in the US southwest and the US eastern seaboard.
... I couldn't make cheese any more... I know not to use ultra-pasteurized milk...
Same is true with yogurt. I have experimented with using numerous types/brands of milk, and to my surprise I get the best, most consistent results from one of the least expensive:
You won't find it in ANY high-end grocers. It's sold under several brands through a couple big chains and at some of the convenience stores here in the Southwestern US. Other than NOT being ultra-pasteurized or homogenized, I don't know what it is they are doing (or not doing) that is different, but it consistently gives me the thickest, best tasting yogurt of any of them.
until recently, because I have, let's say, negative associations with their home town, Amarillo, TX... one of the worst-smelling places I've been. The smell of manure from the cattle feedlots is simply awful and permeates the whole town!
I've stayed overnight many times in Amarillo and didn't usually notice the smell. Maybe the wind direction at the time... Talk about feed lots, the area around Dodge City, KS is littered with them. Driving into town was a wretched experience.
I noticed this a while back, so I've stopped using homemade yogurt as a starter.
I typically make either 1L or 3L of yogurt at a time.
For a 1L batch, I use a yogurt machine that accommodates a 1L milk carton. I add 1-2 tablespoons of store-bought plain yogurt directly into the carton, shake it, set the machine to 40°C, and in around 6 hours, I have fresh yogurt.
To prepare a 3L batch, I use the Instant Pot by placing a jar with 3-6 tablespoons of store-bought plain yogurt and unheated milk (preferred method; less cleanup/work) or pouring the milk and yogurt directly into the pot. I set up a 45°C water bath to cover most of the jar. As the jar rises above the pot's rim, I use an inverted 5 Qt Dutch oven as a lid. After pressing "yogurt," it's ready in about 8 hours.
I can achieve a firm yogurt texture similar to commercial ones without adding milk powder or boiling the milk by using ultra-filtered, high-protein milk, such as Fairlife.
Thanks for the links, Lance. My process is identical to the one the article decribes, except a) I like it tangy and let go for 16 hours, and b) AFAIK, I don't have acccess to an "heirloom culture". 60 generations sounds great.
I purchased Dahi brand . It’s amazing compared to anything available in regular US stores. I found it at Costco. The difference is it has 4 different live cultures and it is a fermented yogurt , undergoes a different process to produce it. Supposedly one can’t replicate that fermentation process but I have to say the yogurt I’ve been making over the past months with 1 Tbsp per qt of organic milk has been amazing. I heat my milk to 150° cool briefly to 125° very very gently stir in 1 Tb of yogurt from last batch and put on lid and use my $15 heating pad from Walmart inside a small zip up cooler. 7 hrs exactly and I have incredible mild yogurt. We like a very mild yogurt and this fits our tastes perfectly.
Using less yogurt per qt to inoculate gives a thicker result… counterintuitive but in this case less is definitely better. Also never ever stir in culture vigorously barely mix it in. Use organic whole milk and barely heat … see above. A cheap heating pad from the pharmacy is perfect I have mine on high.
Hope this provides some alternative information. c
and other dairy go into making some great loaves. I started making yogurt after I got a sous vide machine and was looking for more things to do with it. I found a recipe in Cook's Illustrated where you take 3 3/4 cups of milk and heat it in a pot to 110 F and add 1/4 cups plain yogurt. Then it goes into a jar and into a sous vide bath at 110 F for 5 - 24 hours, but I found it best at about 8 - 10 hour mark. I use UHT milk (current favorite is A2) to skip the scalding step. I try different commercial yogurts and they all work, including skyr, although I stay away from lower fat ones. Whole milk is where it's at for me.
I had a vintage one quart yogurt machine that could no longer generate enough heat to get the culture to do its thing. I though about replacing it, but I thought I'd see what kind of results I got with the sous vide machine. I set the machine a 12 hrs at 112 F. I got outstanding results: great texture smooth finish Better. yet, I managed to process a gallon of whole milk with a culture I salvaged from my previous attempts. Great texture, smooth finish. Once cooled and refrigerated, the yogurt was comparable to the best I've purchased.
I have a cheesemaking background, so that influences how I approach this.... I make a gallon of yogurt at a time in the Instant Pot.
First, I do a 3 minute steam cycle on the Instant Pot to sanitize it. Use about a cup of water then dump it out at the end.
Next, I put in a gallon of very good quality whole milk. I cover this with the silicone lid or parchment paper, and place in the Anova Precision oven at 50% steam, 195F for about 45 minutes, or until the milk temperature is at least 185F. This is to ensure that the milk proteins are denatured, which ensures a "short" texture instead of "ropy" yogurt. Covering the milk while heating prevents skinning. I have found that this method of heating the milk is best, as it does not "cook" onto the bottom of the container while gradually heating.
All thermometers, spoons and other utensils that touch the yogurt must be sanitized by boiling.
I put the hot milk (in the Instant Pot dish) in a bath of cold water until it reads 120F. Then I mix in 2 cups of dry milk powder until fully dissolved. This will produce a thicker final product. The temperature should drop to about 110F while doing this, at which time it is ready to accept the yogurt culture. I use Yo Prox 569 from Bioprox, available from cheeseconnection.net. There are many other cultures available, and they all will last a long time in the freezer if tightly wrapped. Only a very small amount is needed for one gallon of milk.
Sprinkle the culture (I am only adding about 1/8 tsp) over the surface of the milk while stirring, incorporating it fully for a couple of minutes. I do one more thing, adding two drops of rennet, but this step is optional.
I cover the Instant Pot container with a piece of waxed paper held in place with a rubber band just below the edge, trimming away the excess paper. Then put it in the Instant Pot, put on the metal lid and use the yogurt setting, I do 9 hours.
Yes IMO there is a small improvement with the rennet; however, ONLY two small drops and only if it is added to milk while vigorously stirring. Stir and lift from the bottom of the pot to help it mix in uniformly. Too much rennet or milk which is not absolutely fresh and it coagulates and releases too much whey, which you don't want. Not for the beginner..
I did a stage at Mons (affinage and cheesemaking) in Auvergne, and fell in love with the thick, set style of yogurt in France. So that has been my target. It is actually pretty easy to do.
Well over 1000 responses on NYT. Everyone has THE BEST way to make yogurt LOL . It's wonderful that it is SO easy and attainable with almost anything you might have in your kitchen . Try placing ingredients in a goat skin bag. c
Yes exactly. Both baking and cheesemaking have complex technical factors that work together to produce a result. It's interesting to consider how heat, salt, fermentation and chemical reactions were developed over time to convert or extend the life of various foods.
I see it as a continuum with sour cream at one end and panettone at the other
And I would take up chees making if I had the space and means. What is also fascinating is kefir grains. Making more kefir with a previous batch of kefir will not produce more grains. But when you make a new batch of kefir with grains the grains multiply. They came about through a spontaneous ferment, much like keeping milk in waterskins made from stomachs of ruminants, but so far it hasn't been able to be replicated. So every kefir grain today came from that original batch.
I make a Greek style yogurt, mostly for the whey for bread making.
I've found I get a much thicker yogurt when I hold the 2 quarts of milk at 185 -190 F for about 15 minutes, then leave it covered to cool for a little over an hour to hour and a half. Once it has cooled to 115-120F I mix in a tbl of whatever store bought yogurt my wife happens to have in the fridge/or use leftovers from my last batch.
If the milk is not thoroughly denatured it is much less likely to be thick . After sitting @110F overnight it is ready to be cooled, then strained.
Ultra pasteurized milks don't work well, and adding dried milk as a thickener, can work, but I think it alters the flavor.
Thoroughly denaturing milk and keeping everything extremely sterile will let you keep a strain vibrant longer.
I am new at making yogurt and was told to strain it. My Greek style yogurt turned out so tasty! I felt bad about throwing out the whey... I will save it to add to my 50 year old sourdough starter I inherited from my dad!
Fifty-year-old sourdough starter is very impressive.
If your yogurt starter is an heirloom one, you can use the whey to start more yogurt. (Store-bought yogurt will work too, but peters out in a short time.) That doesn't use up much whey, though. There are lots of suggestions online about how to use whey, but one I came across that never occurred to me (and uses quite a bit of the stuff) is as a meat marinade. The acid helps tenderize the meat. Neat, eh?
Since this thread started, I've pretty much settled into a process that is simple, easily repeatable, uses readily-available ingredients, and now have solved the generational weakening issue.
I find I prefer yogurt made in either glass or ceramic containers over stainless steel ones. Since each batch is made from a saved portion of the previous batch, I also find I prefer it made weekly (2 quart) vs a large batch (gallon). The shorter cycles gives better 'generational' strength and more consistent taste. My favorite devices are the Vitaclay VS7600 and Yogourmet model T. I believe both of them are discontinued now. I am experimenting with using one of the flat Euro Cuisine makers (YMX650 which I use for making CLAS) as a water bath and an Anchor Hocking round 7-cup glass jar with lid that fits perfectly in it. So far its a bit messy and offers no advantage over the others.
How to overcome the generational loss: I really like the taste and texture of yogurt made from the Yogourmet starter with the Plains Dairy milk. But after gen5 or so it starts losing its zip/tang and becoming flat. So I tried adding a mere 0.1 grams of starter to the mix when I notice the flatness. That is a teeny amount. But it is enough to 'goose' the culture back to life and bring the taste back to original. Keep the starter package in a sealed bag in the freezer and it ends up being quite economical too.
I've beeen making yoghurt off and on for a long time, but this discussion helped me modify my process to produce a better product.
I used to start with a commercial yoghurt and then repitch from my own yoghurt every week, but often the yoghurt was watery. Sometimes I added skim milk powder, but that is now incredibly expensiveSo now I have moved to a dvi (freeze dried) culture. To keep the cost down I bought a packet of Polish Browin culture off Ebay and split it into 0.1g portions which I keep in the freezer.
Previously I heat treated the milk (3.6% fat) in a pan on the stove, but there was always a residue on the base of the pan - that was milk solids I was losing. So now I heat the milk in the microwave (only 1 litre) to 90C and stand for 10 mins before cooling. Initially I heated on full power, but I could see the milk at the top of the jar was boiling - not good. So now I heat for 5 mins on full power and then 5 or so mins on 80% heat and the yoghurt is much firmer.
And, just to finish, here is an interesting video on how to make proper Greek yoghurt:
I've never used a uwave to heat the milk (I'm still reticent to use them too much), but maybe should give it a try. Solids buildup on the pan bottom can be minimized by using a medium heat (takes longer) and stirring with a whisk 2-3 times toward the end.
I microwave (full power) in quart jars for about 5-7 min. At about midway i stop the microwave and stir the nixture with a spoon then resume until 180F is reached. It takes time to cool on the counter and so the high temp is sustained sufficiently long.
I have a clip on glass thermometer and I set one big pan inside another that has water a couple inches deep to form a double boiler. I have a “ real “ one but I heat 1/2 gallon of milk a week for yogurt. Heat slowly to 180°. No residue in pan from heating. Let set in hot water for 20 min. Heat off. Remove set on counter watch temp and when it’s reduced to 125° pour into 4 sterile glass pint jars. Add a heaping tbsp full of yogurt from last batch to each jar and barely stir it in … very gently! Tighten lids. Place in small cooler that has a preheated $15 heating pad from Walmart turned on high. Leave 7 hrs. Perfection every single time. I started with Dashi yogurt in October. Have made a 1/2 gallon batch every week since then with this method and have had perfect yogurt using 4 tbsp from the last batch each week. No degradation of the quality. Indian yogurt cultures are far superior to all the American brands. It’s been a fantastic experience.
There are a few probiotic capsules in my fridge. Do you think the powder in them would work as a starter? Only ingredient is lactobacillus acidophilus.
Yes, they do work. I just did a small amount (1 cup milk) and 1/2 capsule. I added dry milk powder, honey & vanilla (we don't like plain yogurt) and cooked it in the sous vide pot for 24hrs. When done, it had separated, so I strained it into good-tasting yogurt and whey that went into my bread. I haven't keeled over yet.
Only did this because I had no yogurt in the house.
Since I refuse to buy anything labeled "low salt" or "low fat", using 10% coffee cream to make yogurt is right up my alley. What a revelation! The thickest, creamiest yogurt I've ever eaten. In fact, if it were sweetened some more, it would make an excellent dessert topping. Here in the land of dairy & poultry supply management, a litre of 10% is $3-something, but makes 2 containers of yogurt, so is still a deal. It is done in way less time, too.
I love making 3 quarts of yogurt at a time using th BrodTaylor proofer set at 110F.
I usually buy Strauss' Yogurt (here in Nor Cal) to inoculate the milk (heat each qt of milk- about 5 min in microwave on high; stir once at around 3:30m and there won't be an overflow). The temp is around 180F after the microwave. Let it cool for a few hours to 110F and stir in 2-3 TB of yogurt thinned with a little milk.
Put it in the proofer for 6-8hr.
I like starting each batch with Strauss' Y but many just use the yogurt from their homemade batches.
for the B&T proofer, Jo. 3 qts at a time is large! Does the container you use have a sealed lid?
I'll have to try the Strauss as a starter, though I don't recall see it in any of the stores I shop at around here. So far I haven't found any of the store-bought yogurts to give great results on their own. The closest is Fage 5% which has a thick and rich taste but has no tartness/zip to it at all, so I combine it with 1/2 a packet of Yogourmet starter and then freeze a couple small jars with 2 tbsp of it for when the generational strength inevitably peters out.
It's interesting to me that this happens with yogurt but not (apparently) with sourdough. I don't know why the difference.
I hadn't thought about it that way before. With higher temps over shorter time periods, it's a narrower spectrum of bacteria being developed in yogurts.
Once you have some live yoghurt a cup of that can be culture for the next batch. And if you don't have any culture to start the process off then you don't need to source anything from a special store just a plain live yoghurt - preferably one which you like!
Not everyone can find a live-culture yogurt that they like in local stores.
as mentioned previously, there is a generational decline in strength. Even of ones I don't like :) So I find myself starting from scratch after G3 or G4 to maintain the taste and consistency.
I have only made yogurt a few times. But I have a related question. Back in the mid-2000s I used to make cheese. Nothing fancy or highly flavored, mostly soft cheese one would eat in a few days. I made a few harder cheeses. The one that lasted the longest went for a month in cheesecloth before I couldn't wait any longer and nibbled it to death slice by slice.
But a decade or so later I couldn't make cheese any more. It stopped curdling, both by acid and by rennet. I know not to use ultra-pasteurized milk, but I just couldn't make it happen. This was both in the US southwest and the US eastern seaboard.
Can anyone shed light on this?
Same is true with yogurt. I have experimented with using numerous types/brands of milk, and to my surprise I get the best, most consistent results from one of the least expensive:
Plains Dairy Whole Milk
You won't find it in ANY high-end grocers. It's sold under several brands through a couple big chains and at some of the convenience stores here in the Southwestern US. Other than NOT being ultra-pasteurized or homogenized, I don't know what it is they are doing (or not doing) that is different, but it consistently gives me the thickest, best tasting yogurt of any of them.
Hey, I remember that brand from my New Mexico days. I don't remember if I ever tried it for making cheese.
until recently, because I have, let's say, negative associations with their home town, Amarillo, TX... one of the worst-smelling places I've been. The smell of manure from the cattle feedlots is simply awful and permeates the whole town!
I've stayed overnight many times in Amarillo and didn't usually notice the smell. Maybe the wind direction at the time... Talk about feed lots, the area around Dodge City, KS is littered with them. Driving into town was a wretched experience.
"getting out of Dodge"...
of the yogurt-making process that you'd like to discuss? There isn't really much to it.
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just curious how others were doing it.
I noticed this a while back, so I've stopped using homemade yogurt as a starter.
I typically make either 1L or 3L of yogurt at a time.
For a 1L batch, I use a yogurt machine that accommodates a 1L milk carton. I add 1-2 tablespoons of store-bought plain yogurt directly into the carton, shake it, set the machine to 40°C, and in around 6 hours, I have fresh yogurt.
To prepare a 3L batch, I use the Instant Pot by placing a jar with 3-6 tablespoons of store-bought plain yogurt and unheated milk (preferred method; less cleanup/work) or pouring the milk and yogurt directly into the pot. I set up a 45°C water bath to cover most of the jar. As the jar rises above the pot's rim, I use an inverted 5 Qt Dutch oven as a lid. After pressing "yogurt," it's ready in about 8 hours.
I can achieve a firm yogurt texture similar to commercial ones without adding milk powder or boiling the milk by using ultra-filtered, high-protein milk, such as Fairlife.
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but I think it tastes way better after fermenting for 30-36 hours in the instant pot.
Yippee
Wow, that's a long time - I typically do 18 hrs for a nice 'tang'.
Actually I think there's quite a lot to making yoghurt. Just a few things to consider:
So I would say that there are quite a few things to think about.
A good read from Mr.Sandor Katz, he of the fine moustache:
https://www.splendidtable.org/story/2013/07/26/commercial-yogurt-starters-degrade-but-heirloom-cultures-last-generations
and for a scientific overview:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5302305/
Lance
Thanks for the links, Lance. My process is identical to the one the article decribes, except a) I like it tangy and let go for 16 hours, and b) AFAIK, I don't have acccess to an "heirloom culture". 60 generations sounds great.
I purchased Dahi brand . It’s amazing compared to anything available in regular US stores. I found it at Costco. The difference is it has 4 different live cultures and it is a fermented yogurt , undergoes a different process to produce it. Supposedly one can’t replicate that fermentation process but I have to say the yogurt I’ve been making over the past months with 1 Tbsp per qt of organic milk has been amazing. I heat my milk to 150° cool briefly to 125° very very gently stir in 1 Tb of yogurt from last batch and put on lid and use my $15 heating pad from Walmart inside a small zip up cooler. 7 hrs exactly and I have incredible mild yogurt. We like a very mild yogurt and this fits our tastes perfectly.
Using less yogurt per qt to inoculate gives a thicker result… counterintuitive but in this case less is definitely better. Also never ever stir in culture vigorously barely mix it in. Use organic whole milk and barely heat … see above. A cheap heating pad from the pharmacy is perfect I have mine on high.
Hope this provides some alternative information. c
and other dairy go into making some great loaves. I started making yogurt after I got a sous vide machine and was looking for more things to do with it. I found a recipe in Cook's Illustrated where you take 3 3/4 cups of milk and heat it in a pot to 110 F and add 1/4 cups plain yogurt. Then it goes into a jar and into a sous vide bath at 110 F for 5 - 24 hours, but I found it best at about 8 - 10 hour mark. I use UHT milk (current favorite is A2) to skip the scalding step. I try different commercial yogurts and they all work, including skyr, although I stay away from lower fat ones. Whole milk is where it's at for me.
I just started using sous vide to make yogurt....
I had a vintage one quart yogurt machine that could no longer generate enough heat to get the culture to do its thing. I though about replacing it, but I thought I'd see what kind of results I got with the sous vide machine. I set the machine a 12 hrs at 112 F. I got outstanding results: great texture smooth finish Better. yet, I managed to process a gallon of whole milk with a culture I salvaged from my previous attempts. Great texture, smooth finish. Once cooled and refrigerated, the yogurt was comparable to the best I've purchased.
I have a cheesemaking background, so that influences how I approach this.... I make a gallon of yogurt at a time in the Instant Pot.
First, I do a 3 minute steam cycle on the Instant Pot to sanitize it. Use about a cup of water then dump it out at the end.
Next, I put in a gallon of very good quality whole milk. I cover this with the silicone lid or parchment paper, and place in the Anova Precision oven at 50% steam, 195F for about 45 minutes, or until the milk temperature is at least 185F. This is to ensure that the milk proteins are denatured, which ensures a "short" texture instead of "ropy" yogurt. Covering the milk while heating prevents skinning. I have found that this method of heating the milk is best, as it does not "cook" onto the bottom of the container while gradually heating.
All thermometers, spoons and other utensils that touch the yogurt must be sanitized by boiling.
I put the hot milk (in the Instant Pot dish) in a bath of cold water until it reads 120F. Then I mix in 2 cups of dry milk powder until fully dissolved. This will produce a thicker final product. The temperature should drop to about 110F while doing this, at which time it is ready to accept the yogurt culture. I use Yo Prox 569 from Bioprox, available from cheeseconnection.net. There are many other cultures available, and they all will last a long time in the freezer if tightly wrapped. Only a very small amount is needed for one gallon of milk.
Sprinkle the culture (I am only adding about 1/8 tsp) over the surface of the milk while stirring, incorporating it fully for a couple of minutes. I do one more thing, adding two drops of rennet, but this step is optional.
I cover the Instant Pot container with a piece of waxed paper held in place with a rubber band just below the edge, trimming away the excess paper. Then put it in the Instant Pot, put on the metal lid and use the yogurt setting, I do 9 hours.
Refrigerate overnight and enjoy......
A great procedure! I am interested in your rennet addition; do the 2 drops of rennet per gallon give a noticeably firmer product?
Lance
Hi Lance,
Yes IMO there is a small improvement with the rennet; however, ONLY two small drops and only if it is added to milk while vigorously stirring. Stir and lift from the bottom of the pot to help it mix in uniformly. Too much rennet or milk which is not absolutely fresh and it coagulates and releases too much whey, which you don't want. Not for the beginner..
I did a stage at Mons (affinage and cheesemaking) in Auvergne, and fell in love with the thick, set style of yogurt in France. So that has been my target. It is actually pretty easy to do.
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1017991-creamy-homemade-yogurt
Well over 1000 responses on NYT. Everyone has THE BEST way to make yogurt LOL . It's wonderful that it is SO easy and attainable with almost anything you might have in your kitchen . Try placing ingredients in a goat skin bag. c
After being inspired by this thread, that rennet was discovered when they stored milk in waterskins made from the stomachs of ruminants. Fascinating.
Yes exactly. Both baking and cheesemaking have complex technical factors that work together to produce a result. It's interesting to consider how heat, salt, fermentation and chemical reactions were developed over time to convert or extend the life of various foods.
I see it as a continuum with sour cream at one end and panettone at the other
https://www.youtube.com/@GavinWebber
And I would take up chees making if I had the space and means. What is also fascinating is kefir grains. Making more kefir with a previous batch of kefir will not produce more grains. But when you make a new batch of kefir with grains the grains multiply. They came about through a spontaneous ferment, much like keeping milk in waterskins made from stomachs of ruminants, but so far it hasn't been able to be replicated. So every kefir grain today came from that original batch.
I make a Greek style yogurt, mostly for the whey for bread making.
I've found I get a much thicker yogurt when I hold the 2 quarts of milk at 185 -190 F for about 15 minutes, then leave it covered to cool for a little over an hour to hour and a half. Once it has cooled to 115-120F I mix in a tbl of whatever store bought yogurt my wife happens to have in the fridge/or use leftovers from my last batch.
If the milk is not thoroughly denatured it is much less likely to be thick . After sitting @110F overnight it is ready to be cooled, then strained.
Ultra pasteurized milks don't work well, and adding dried milk as a thickener, can work, but I think it alters the flavor.
Thoroughly denaturing milk and keeping everything extremely sterile will let you keep a strain vibrant longer.
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I am new at making yogurt and was told to strain it. My Greek style yogurt turned out so tasty! I felt bad about throwing out the whey... I will save it to add to my 50 year old sourdough starter I inherited from my dad!
Fifty-year-old sourdough starter is very impressive.
If your yogurt starter is an heirloom one, you can use the whey to start more yogurt. (Store-bought yogurt will work too, but peters out in a short time.) That doesn't use up much whey, though. There are lots of suggestions online about how to use whey, but one I came across that never occurred to me (and uses quite a bit of the stuff) is as a meat marinade. The acid helps tenderize the meat. Neat, eh?
I will try the extra whey as meat tenderizer. Buttermilk is used as a chicken and pork marinade, why not whey?
Since this thread started, I've pretty much settled into a process that is simple, easily repeatable, uses readily-available ingredients, and now have solved the generational weakening issue.
I find I prefer yogurt made in either glass or ceramic containers over stainless steel ones.
Since each batch is made from a saved portion of the previous batch, I also find I prefer it made weekly (2 quart) vs a large batch (gallon). The shorter cycles gives better 'generational' strength and more consistent taste.
My favorite devices are the Vitaclay VS7600 and Yogourmet model T. I believe both of them are discontinued now. I am experimenting with using one of the flat Euro Cuisine makers (YMX650 which I use for making CLAS) as a water bath and an Anchor Hocking round 7-cup glass jar with lid that fits perfectly in it. So far its a bit messy and offers no advantage over the others.
How to overcome the generational loss: I really like the taste and texture of yogurt made from the Yogourmet starter with the Plains Dairy milk. But after gen5 or so it starts losing its zip/tang and becoming flat. So I tried adding a mere 0.1 grams of starter to the mix when I notice the flatness. That is a teeny amount. But it is enough to 'goose' the culture back to life and bring the taste back to original. Keep the starter package in a sealed bag in the freezer and it ends up being quite economical too.
I've beeen making yoghurt off and on for a long time, but this discussion helped me modify my process to produce a better product.
And, just to finish, here is an interesting video on how to make proper Greek yoghurt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCQYRIGByrc
Lance
I've never used a uwave to heat the milk (I'm still reticent to use them too much), but maybe should give it a try. Solids buildup on the pan bottom can be minimized by using a medium heat (takes longer) and stirring with a whisk 2-3 times toward the end.
I microwave (full power) in quart jars for about 5-7 min. At about midway i stop the microwave and stir the nixture with a spoon then resume until 180F is reached. It takes time to cool on the counter and so the high temp is sustained sufficiently long.
I have a clip on glass thermometer and I set one big pan inside another that has water a couple inches deep to form a double boiler. I have a “ real “ one but I heat 1/2 gallon of milk a week for yogurt. Heat slowly to 180°. No residue in pan from heating. Let set in hot water for 20 min. Heat off. Remove set on counter watch temp and when it’s reduced to 125° pour into 4 sterile glass pint jars. Add a heaping tbsp full of yogurt from last batch to each jar and barely stir it in … very gently! Tighten lids. Place in small cooler that has a preheated $15 heating pad from Walmart turned on high. Leave 7 hrs. Perfection every single time. I started with Dashi yogurt in October. Have made a 1/2 gallon batch every week since then with this method and have had perfect yogurt using 4 tbsp from the last batch each week. No degradation of the quality. Indian yogurt cultures are far superior to all the American brands. It’s been a fantastic experience.
There are a few probiotic capsules in my fridge. Do you think the powder in them would work as a starter? Only ingredient is lactobacillus acidophilus.
Yes, they do work. I just did a small amount (1 cup milk) and 1/2 capsule. I added dry milk powder, honey & vanilla (we don't like plain yogurt) and cooked it in the sous vide pot for 24hrs. When done, it had separated, so I strained it into good-tasting yogurt and whey that went into my bread. I haven't keeled over yet.
Only did this because I had no yogurt in the house.
Since I refuse to buy anything labeled "low salt" or "low fat", using 10% coffee cream to make yogurt is right up my alley. What a revelation! The thickest, creamiest yogurt I've ever eaten. In fact, if it were sweetened some more, it would make an excellent dessert topping. Here in the land of dairy & poultry supply management, a litre of 10% is $3-something, but makes 2 containers of yogurt, so is still a deal. It is done in way less time, too.