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Soft crumb & Soggy Bottoms

aalexbettler's picture
aalexbettler

Soft crumb & Soggy Bottoms

hello bakers,

it looks like my breads tend to have a very thin crust that softens when the breads cool down.

They sometimes also have a soggy (wet, soft, super fragile) bottom just after coming out of the oven.

 

the breads are 2kg sourdough (no yeast) loaves at 71% hydration baked on a stone deck with manual steam for 23min damper closed 23min damper opened. the dough has about 8% (baker %) levain, 71% water, 80% white wheat, 20% WM wheat, 2% salt nothing else. bulk fermented for 4h and cold retarded 12-16h.

 

Any idea / suggestions?

I seem to understand that the soft crumb comes from the water of the dough moving to the crust when cooling down and making it become soft, but i dont think my hydration is very high, so might be something else, no? My crumb is generally still quite dense (for a Country Loaf style bread) and would ideally bring hydration higher...

Thank you!

MichaelLily's picture
MichaelLily

Doesn't sound like enough leaven.  About the same time table I use but I use 20% leaven.  Underproofing makes for a very dense bread.  Also changes the crust a bit.  And assuming you're baking hot, like 450-500.

aalexbettler's picture
aalexbettler

Michael,

thanks for this. have drop leaven because dough is too active due to hot weather and using bad (domestic) fridges struggling to cool down. my normal recipe has 17% leaven. Am baking at about 450F. xx

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gerhard

from the oven do you place it on a cooling rack?  If you take bread out of an oven and place it directly on a cold surface like a granite counter top you would get condensation under the loaf.

Gerhard

aalexbettler's picture
aalexbettler

Gerhard,

yes, the breads are cooled down on a metal wire rack.. thank you! xx

clazar123's picture
clazar123

It sounds like it needs a little more time to bake off moisture and if you have steam going for 23 minutes, it may not have that chance. The crust sounds dumpling-ish,  like a steamed bread crust, doesn't it? Try 10 min. steam.  

Final proofing may have an influence,also but hard to tell without looking at the crumb.

And do cool off on a rack.

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aalexbettler

hello,

the steam is done by hand (garden spray) for about 5sec, so prob not a huge amount of steam i guess.. Your description sounds correct, i ll try with less steam time.. My breads are usually over (shitty fridges).. i ll cut one up next time this happens, thank you! xx