July 24, 2017 - 2:13pm
Just to say thanks
Hi I'm sure I'm probably supposed to post this in the introductions area but.. I wanted to aim this at people who post in the challenges forum, just to say thanks as I've been shadowing this forum on and off for a couple of months now. People's questions and answers have really brought me a long way since my first loaf! :) I think it's great that people on here are so willing to share their knowledge! Anyway here's some pics, starting with my first loaf back in april right through to one from this morning, cheers everyone - Alex
And improve rapidly. Very fine loaves you've got there. Now it's time for you to help those in need.
:) yeah I'll be more than happy to give my input
that fab progression of baking skills!
As Lechem said, you've obviously got enough knowledge and skills that others like me will be more than happy to learn from it.
Please do keep sharing, and keep baking happy!
I'm glad I joined, I need somewhere to vent as my wife's sick of hearing about bread heheh, happy baking!
Superb progression. Gives me hope. :)
Do you mind sharing the recipe? Thanks
Ok this might look like a lot of text but I think it's not too much work when you come to actually doing it. Anyway couple of things, I live in england so i don't have to battle with high temperatures, my kitchen is almost always between 18-23.C. I always use a retarded final proof as I think that slowing things down gives me a bigger window to catch my loaf at that point between over and under proofed! Also, two hydration levels I really get on with when doing a sourdough, they are 70 and 80%! Nice round numbers, on the one hand 70 gives a more asthetic loaf, holds it's shape, will give that lovely ear and bloom, which i think adds loads of character as you get a nice dark crust then a little charred almost burnt bit, then some nice caramelised crust with every slice :) on the other hand 80 will give me a very rustic looking loaf, with a more open texture, which I just find very satisfying, also I may be wrong but I feel the more open texute allows the nuttiness from the crumb to penetrate right into the loaf. I dont think you can have it both ways though unfortunately, there may be some middle ground though!
I feed my leaven every day, at either 12 or 24 hour intervals depending on if I'm baking/can be arsed, I take out 250g and either discard or use it to bake, replacing it with 110g water and 140g flour, I always use a very strong flour for example a canadian wheat with 14.8g protein something like that, regardless of what strength flour I'm using for my loaf, just because the gluten breaks down during fermentation, so more gluten here the better in my opinion. I normally start my loaf when I get in from work, so if I know I'm baking that day I'll take my leaven into work with me and feed it at around 9- 10am much to the amusement of my colleagues.
an example, exact times and amount of stretch n folds varies depending on how the dough feels
water 305g for 70%, 368g for 80%
flour 405g (between 13 and 14g protein for 70% and 14g + for 80%)
Spelt 45g
rye 5g
leaven 250g
salt 7g
17.00 hydrolyse - mix all ingredients except salt, don't overwork at this stage
17.25 - Add salt, knead for 5 mins or until I'm satisfied salt is evenly distributed
18.00 - stretch and fold, maybe watch some game of thrones
18.15 - stretch and fold, not tear and fold harrr
18.30 - stretch and fold
19.00 - stretch and fold
19.25 - preshape
19.45 - final shape, at this point an 80% would go straight into a banneton and retarded, 70% i would leave out to 'skin-over' for about 20-30 mins before retarding, or until the skin feels almost like parchment, this helps with the ear and bloom
06.00 the following morning, turn oven on to 'MAX!' I have a crap oven, turns out max means 220.C when I use an oven thermometer. It takes about an hour for my oven and stone to get hot enough. Also check loaf, if its fully risen great leave it in the fridge, if not bring it out the fridge until it is
06.55 chuck half a mug of boiling water into a tray in the bottom of the oven, quickly shut the door,
06.00 - turn loaf out onto peel, score, then into oven along with a full mug of boiling water
After the loaf has been in for 5 mins i normally top up with half a mug of water, if all this water hasn't evaporated after half an hour I will remove the tray. Normal cooking time around 55 mins, just in time to set off for work.
Something that really helped me is that every time I make a loaf, and at every stage of the process I take the time to make a real mental note of how the dough looks and feels, i think this helps as there are so many variables with sourdough, unless you're in a very well kitted out bakery perhaps?, learning to go by 'feel' is best! :) anyway hope this helps, if anyone has any pointers or notices any glaring errors then the feedback would be much apreciated!
Bookmarked for me to do. If you email our host Floyd floyd@thefreshloaf.com ask him to enable your private messages and editing options.
Looking forward to this weekend's bake.
I'll drop him an email, let me know how you get on anyway, also one detail I missed is I haven't been bagging my bannetons when I do my final proof in the fridge, just cover the top looseley or cover top with a bowl, I think this might make a small difference when scoring but minimal? Who knows but it's worked for me so I daren't try it in bags now! :p
thanks so much for the detailed instructions Fearandloaf :)
I love the open crumb myself :)
Perhaps you want to change the last timestamp in your instructions to 7:00. Thanks
Thanks :) yes I meant 07.00 for turning the loaf out, not sure how to edit my comments off my phone though! If you do make any loaves following this recipe it'd be great to see photos/hear what you did different!